[WCUSP] Fw: Re: Response Requested from WCUSP/WILPF

[Joyce McLean]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Libby or Mort Frank" <lmfrank1 at verizon.net>
To: "Joyce McLean" <jmclean at jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [WCUSP] Response Requested from WCUSP/WILPF


>I meant WCUSP at Wilpf.org
>
> Libby
>
> =====================
> From: Joyce McLean <jmclean at jps.net>
> Date: 2006/11/25 Sat PM 12:27:20 CST
> To: Libby or Mort Frank <lmfrank1 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [WCUSP] Response Requested from WCUSP/WILPF
>
> I agree with Libby's comments ...........Joyce McLean
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Libby or Mort Frank" <lmfrank1 at verizon.net>
> To: "yvonne simmons" <roweenayvonne at yahoo.com>; "C.J. Minster"
> <cjminster at gmail.com>; "Marlene Santoyo" <marlsan at cavtel.net>
> Cc: "wcusp" <wcusp at wilpf.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WCUSP] Response Requested from WCUSP/WILPF
>
>
>>I think Yvonne and c.j. are talking about two different things.
>>
>> If I understand what Yvonne is saying, it is necessary for a local WILPF
>> branch to contribute when working with another local organization and
>> cooperating on a joint venture.  I know that branches contribute to put
>> ads in fundraising booklets or contribute funds when working together 
>> with
>> other groups in coalition.  There is a mutual support system, and other
>> groups are also asked to contribute to WILPF's activities.  I think local
>> WILPF groups need to cooperate in that way.
>>
>> On the other hand, I understand that c.j. is saying that our WCUSP list
>> serve shouldn't be used to raise funds for other organiztions, no matter
>> how worthy they might be.  There is no end to what we can be asked for,
>> and many of us get those requests personally.  I agree with limiting our
>> list serve to information to be shared.  Perhaps links can be provided so
>> people can follow up for more info, but not to request funds.
>>
>> Libby Frank
>>
>>
>> =====================
>> From: yvonne simmons <roweenayvonne at yahoo.com>
>> Date: 2006/11/25 Sat AM 08:07:55 CST
>> To: "C.J. Minster" <cjminster at gmail.com>, Marlene Santoyo
>> <marlsan at cavtel.net>
>> Cc: wcusp <wcusp at wilpf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WCUSP] Response Requested from WCUSP/WILPF
>>
>> Dear C.J., I respect our commitment to WILPF too but
>> please realize that supporting other peace
>> organizations and working with them at times does not
>> take away from WILPF and sometimes enhances it. When
>> an organization, for example, Physicians for Social
>> Responsibility initiates an ad we support that effort
>> in Portland WILPF as we often work together on issues
>> and placing an ad in Portland WILPF is something we
>> don't initiate.  Maybe I am not sure what you mean as
>> before the computer and e-mail lists I remember it
>> would be a discussion by phone, letters or at meetings
>> I feel that is difficult to draw the line and  some
>> people want to support direct action. Our WIB vigils
>> every week have WILPF information on the flyers and in
>> our newsletter as we wouldn't have as much exposure on
>> the street because our WILPF weekly vigils need to
>> address all the other important issues. Also working
>> with other groups bring in members that is how Pat
>> introduced our new Washington County  branch to WILPF.
>> I wish the e-mail didn't feel so machine like. In
>> Solidarity Yvonne. --- "C.J. Minster"
>> <cjminster at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Marlene,
>>>
>>> Thank you for responding. As Mary Day can confirm on
>>> Monday when she
>>> returns to the office, it has been the standard
>>> protocol for all WILPF
>>> listservs to not use them to raise money for other
>>> organizations.
>>>
>>> Quite frankly, we cannot afford to do this. No other
>>> organization allows
>>> members to use their member lists to request money
>>> for other orgs - you
>>> wont get an email from a  NOW mailing list asking
>>> for money to buy an ad
>>> page that has absolutely nothing to do with NOW.
>>>
>>> People have plenty of other ways to reach out to
>>> their activist friends
>>> to ask for money, and I do not think it is
>>> unreasonable to use WILPF
>>> space to promote WILPF, period.
>>>
>>> You are right that over the past two decades, we
>>> have downsized.
>>> However, in at least the last three years, we have
>>> not had a change in
>>> the number of permanent staff members. Do you think
>>> WILPF does not have
>>> enough staff to carry out its mission? Personally, I
>>> think we WILPF
>>> members have not made a concerted effort to make
>>> WILPF our primary
>>> activist home and to figure out a way to do all of
>>> our activist work
>>> through WILPF. Once we have more people who are
>>> willing to "brand" all
>>> of their activism WILPF, then we will have the
>>> momentum to attract more
>>> members, more money, and ultimately be financially
>>> healthy enough to
>>> expand our paid staff. In the meantime, we must
>>> protect WILPF space for
>>> WILPF.
>>>
>>> The WCUSP listserv is meant to enhance a national
>>> campaign of WILPF. I
>>> do not think it makes us a more vital part of the
>>> movement for peace in
>>> the Middle East to divert our donor funds away from
>>> our own work in
>>> challenging US policy towards another group's effort
>>> to inform /
>>> persuade the public through a newspaper
>>> advertisement.
>>>
>>> Again, feel free to send individual friends emails
>>> about other
>>> organizations' request for funds. All we ask is that
>>> people not use
>>> official WILPF listservs for that purpose. This
>>> protocol is not a
>>> judgment on the merits of an individual solicitation
>>> or on whether or
>>> not WILPF members should also contribute financially
>>> to other
>>> organizations. And this is not a decision that needs
>>> to be made "by all
>>> of WCUSP." This listserv is a resource of the
>>> national office of WILPF
>>> and the Executive Director has made it clear that it
>>> should not be used
>>> to solicit funds for other organizations. I believe
>>> this was the
>>> protocol on WILPF's topica list (the forerunner to
>>> the current
>>> constellation of WILPF US listservs), so it
>>> shouldn't come as a surprise
>>> to anyone.
>>>
>>> in sisterhood,
>>> C.J.
>>>
>>> ------------
>>> C.J. Minster
>>> Program Chair, US Section
>>> Women's International League for Peace and Freedom
>>> http://wilpf.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> ~current affairs blog~
>>> http://www.socialupheaval.com
>>>
>>> ~cultural affairs blog~
>>> http://www.angelheadedhipster.com
>>>
>>> Marlene Santoyo wrote:
>>> > I wonder & am asking if CJ's announcement to not
>>> send requests for $ was
>>> > one agreed on by all of WCUSP.
>>> > CJ said, " We cannot afford to carry out all of
>>> the brilliant activism
>>> > that we dream up, and we
>>> > cannot use our resource to fund other group's
>>> activism."
>>> >
>>> > I do recall CJ sending this message before & I
>>> think that there may be
>>> > wilpf members (including myself)
>>> > who choose to hear about other actions & requests
>>> for cash & even have a
>>> > limit as to how much she
>>> > chooses to give to wilpf, needy & worthwhile as
>>> wilpf may be.
>>> >
>>> >  It is quite apparent to me that the ever constant
>>> & important need of
>>> > raising funds & how & who does
>>> >  it could/should be addressed.
>>> >
>>> > When I was on the national board I raised this
>>> issue & am doing so once
>>> > again.
>>> > Mary Day & I attended a fund raising workshop.
>>> WILPF has downsized staff
>>> > & program
>>> > yet the problem persists (as it does for other
>>> organizations).
>>> >
>>> > Could there be a wake-up call so that WILPF will
>>> continue to be a
>>> > recognized leader & vital contributing
>>> > proactive part of the movement for peace with
>>> justice & not be concerned
>>> > that another worthy cause receive funds?
>>> >
>>> > Many thanks,
>>> > marlena
>>> > ----------
>>> >
>>> > From: wcusp-bounces at wilpf.org
>>> [mailto:wcusp-bounces at wilpf.org]On Behalf
>>> > Of C.J. Minster
>>> > Sent: 2006 November 22 Wednesday 2:45 AM
>>> > To: wcusp
>>> > Subject: Re: [WCUSP] Last chance to sign "AIPAC
>>> does NOT speak for US"
>>> > ad.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > We as individuals might want to support the work
>>> of other organizations.
>>> > We might want to donate to their efforts that we
>>> think further the
>>> > causes of peace and justice.
>>> >
>>> > Please do not use a WILPF listserv to pass on a
>>> monetary request from
>>> > another organization. The Women's International
>>> League for Peace and
>>> > Freedom is a membership-based, grassroots
>>> organization. We cannot afford
>>> > to carry out all of the brilliant activism that we
>>> dream up, and we
>>> > cannot use our resource to fund other group's
>>> activism.
>>> >
>>> > I thank you all for your understanding and
>>> adherence.
>>> >
>>> > If you would like to donate money to increase the
>>> effectiveness of our
>>> > grassroots, feminist challenge to US policy in the
>>> Middle East, please
>>> > click here:
>>> http://www.wilpf.org/get-involved/donate.htm and
>>> write
>>> > "WCUSP" in the memo line.
>>> >
>>> > In sisterhood,
>>> > C.J.
>>> >
>>> > ------------
>>> > C.J. Minster
>>> > Program Chair, US Section
>>> > Women's International League for Peace and Freedom
>>> > http://wilpf.blogspot.com
>>> >
>>> > ~current affairs blog~
>>> > http://www.socialupheaval.com
>>> >
>>> > ~cultural affairs blog~
>>> > http://www.angelheadedhipster.com
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>> > Wcusp at wilpf.org
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>>> > To post a message to all the list members, send
>>> email to
>>> > Wcusp at wilpf.org.
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>>>
>> === message truncated ===
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